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Anyone interested in a stereo write up? I just put in a $4,700 stereo system for less than $2,000.

Last post 07-18-2008, 11:58 AM by Robert Ruiz. 25 replies.
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  •  07-09-2008, 3:34 PM 50751 in reply to 49335

    Re: Anyone interested in a stereo write up? I just put in a $4,700 stereo system for less than $2,000.

    Robert Ruiz:

    btw here is my rock play list.

    Thunderstruck ACDC
    Shoot to Thrill ACDC
    Back in Black ACDC
    You Shook Me All Night Long ACDC
    Jailbreak ACDC
    Sweet Emotion Aerosmith
    Jaded Aerosmith
    Walk This Way Aerosmith
    Come Together (Bonus Track) Aerosmith
    Poison Alice Cooper
    Man in the Box Alice in Chains
    The Boys Are Back In Town Bad Company
    Blaze Of Glory Bon Jovi
    Bad Medicine Bon Jovi
    Let It Rock Bon Jovi
    You Give Love A Bad Name Bon Jovi
    Wanted Dead Or Alive Bon Jovi
    It´s my life Bon Jovi
    December Collective Soul
    Shine Collective Soul
    Are You Ready Creed
    Higher Creed
    My Sacrifice Creed
    Smoke On The Water Deep Purple
    I Wanna Touch You Def Leppard
    Let It Rock Def Leppard
    High 'N' Dry (Saturday Night) Def Leppard
    Pour Some Sugar On Me Def Leppard
    Photograph Def Leppard
    Animal Def Leppard
    Foolin Def Leppard
    Rocket Def Leppard
    Armageddon It Def Leppard
    Rock On Def Leppard
    Hysteria Def Leppard
    Women Def Leppard
    Take It Easy Eagles
    Life In The Fast Lane Eagles
    Epic Faith No More
    Don't Treat Me Bad Firehouse
    Slow Ride Foghat
    Hot Blooded Foreigner
    Juke Box Hero Foreigner
    Double Vision Foreigner
    Dirty White Boy Foreigner
    Feels Like The First Time Foreigner
    Bad to the Bone George Thorogood
    Keep You To Yourself Georgia Satellites
    Sweet Child Of Mine Guns and Roses
    Welcome to the Jungle Guns and Roses
    Its so Easy Guns and Roses
    Nightrain Guns and Roses
    Mr. Brownstone Guns and Roses
    Paradise City Guns and Roses
    Sweet Child O' Mine Guns and Roses
    You're Crazy Guns and Roses
    You Could Be Mine Guns and Roses
    Magic Man Heart
    Only Wanna Be With You Hootie & the Blowfish
    I Love Rock And Roll Joan Jett
    Rocky Mountain Way Joe Walsh
    Life's Been Good Joe Walsh
    The Old Man Is Down The Road John Fogarty
    Carry On My Wayward Son Kansas
    Cowboy Kid Rock
    All Summer Long Kid Rock
    Rock And Roll All Nite Kiss
    Heartbreaker Led Zeppelin
    Rock And Roll Led Zeppelin
    Fly Away Lenny Kravitz
    Hanging by a Moment Lifehouse
    Cult of Personality Living Color
    Sweet Home Alabama Lynyrd Skynyrd
    Looks That Kill Motley Crew
    Girls Girls Girls Motley Crew
    Primal Scream Motley Crew
    Too Young to Fall in Love Motley Crew
    Dr. Feelgood Motley Crew
    Same Old Situation Motley Crew
    Smoking In The Boys Room Motley Crew
    Wild Side Motley Crew
    Kick Start My Heart Motley Crew
    Photograph Nickelback
    Rock Star Nickelback
    Even Flow Pearl Jam
    Unskinny Bop Poison
    Talk Dirty To Me Poison
    Lay It Down Ratt
    Lack of Communication Ratt
    Your In Love Ratt
    I Can't Drive 55 Sammy Hagar
    Mas Tequilia Sammy Hagar
    Three Lock Box Sammy Hagar
    Smooth Santana
    Blackout Scorpions
    The Zoo Scorpions
    Rock You Like A Hurricane Scorpions
    Big city nights Scorpions
    Dynamite Scorpions
    Santeria Sublim
    Heaven's Trail (No Way Out) Tesla
    Modern Day Cowboy Tesla
    Kryptonite 3 Doors Down

     No disrespect, but I hope not to run across you when you're in a 'loud' mood. Wink

     


    2000 202BR LPX
    "Spirit of Aramis"
  •  07-09-2008, 3:45 PM 50752 in reply to 49335

    Re: Anyone interested in a stereo write up? I just put in a $4,700 stereo system for less than $2,000.

    Check out the playlist on www.Rhapsody.com /Classic Rock-The Metal Years.  It has most of the tunes on this list.  If you have the right MP3 player you can download and go.
    2007 19SS w/4.3L Carb 1.87 Alpha 1
  •  07-09-2008, 4:21 PM 50764 in reply to 50751

    Re: Anyone interested in a stereo write up? I just put in a $4,700 stereo system for less than $2,000.

    Where is morgans point?
    Limited Edition 230BR 8.2Liter/502CI (GSI Volo Penta) DP-S

    LAKATION

    Project(s) Completed:
    2000 Watt Stereo Systerm
    Swimplatforms.com

    Coming Soon:
    Wakeboard Tower and Speaker Setup
    Custom Graphics

  •  07-09-2008, 4:25 PM 50765 in reply to 50752

    Re: Anyone interested in a stereo write up? I just put in a $4,700 stereo system for less than $2,000.

    Chris Hawthorne:
    Check out the playlist on www.Rhapsody.com /Classic Rock-The Metal Years.  It has most of the tunes on this list.  If you have the right MP3 player you can download and go.

    Chris that is some great feedback . . .  but I don't like to pay monthly fees for music I already own. And anything I want to buy, I got to mp3fiesta and get them for .10 - .25 cents a song. $15 will get me about 75 - 100 songs. so . . the math is not there for me. For someone that does not have the music, it may make more sense to pay the $15 per month.  BTW, I checked the playlist and don't see most of the songs? I was hoping I coudl find some more to add to my playlist.

    thank you for the input.


    Limited Edition 230BR 8.2Liter/502CI (GSI Volo Penta) DP-S

    LAKATION

    Project(s) Completed:
    2000 Watt Stereo Systerm
    Swimplatforms.com

    Coming Soon:
    Wakeboard Tower and Speaker Setup
    Custom Graphics

  •  07-10-2008, 3:44 PM 50866 in reply to 50765

    Re: Anyone interested in a stereo write up? I just put in a $4,700 stereo system for less than $2,000.

    Robert where did you get your PDX amps from and where is your sub located?

  •  07-10-2008, 10:31 PM 50890 in reply to 50866

    Re: Anyone interested in a stereo write up? I just put in a $4,700 stereo system for less than $2,000.

    I took a few pics today. I will try to get my write up done soon.

    This will take you to about 15 pics.

    http://picasaweb.google.com/robsatx/StereoPICS

    Below is a quick shot of where I installed the PDXs. You must mount them horizontal.

    Helm 

     

     close up

     


    Limited Edition 230BR 8.2Liter/502CI (GSI Volo Penta) DP-S

    LAKATION

    Project(s) Completed:
    2000 Watt Stereo Systerm
    Swimplatforms.com

    Coming Soon:
    Wakeboard Tower and Speaker Setup
    Custom Graphics

  •  07-10-2008, 11:15 PM 50893 in reply to 50890

    Re: Anyone interested in a stereo write up? I just put in a $4,700 stereo system for less than $2,000.

    I will be doing the tower pretty soon. I will be mouting 4 speakers on the tower as well.
    Limited Edition 230BR 8.2Liter/502CI (GSI Volo Penta) DP-S

    LAKATION

    Project(s) Completed:
    2000 Watt Stereo Systerm
    Swimplatforms.com

    Coming Soon:
    Wakeboard Tower and Speaker Setup
    Custom Graphics

  •  07-10-2008, 11:26 PM 50894 in reply to 50893

    Re: Anyone interested in a stereo write up? I just put in a $4,700 stereo system for less than $2,000.

    Awesome job, looking forward to the write up!
    2007 19SS w/4.3L Carb 1.87 Alpha 1
  •  07-16-2008, 6:18 PM 51302 in reply to 50894

    Re: Anyone interested in a stereo write up? I just put in a $4,700 stereo system for less than $2,000.

    PART ONE:

    Overview:

    Before you drop a penny on your stereo installation think about your budget and desires. I think most of us have champagne taste but beer money mentality . . .. This will apply to your stereo.

    Some things to decide early on . . .

    How many speakers?

    Will I want a REAL subwoofer?

    Do I go component or coax?

    6x9 or 6.5?

    How much power should I plan for?

    Will I add a wakeboard tower with speakers at a later time?

    Do I want an IPOD, USB or other external input digital input device?

    Do I want a CD changer? NO WAY JOSE!!

    Everyone has different ideas and opinions so this write up may seem off the wall to some folks but here are my thoughts and answers to the above questions.

    My .02 . . .

    Most boats come with 6.5 inch marine speakers as a standard part of the boat. In many cases they are about 40 watts RMS. Coupled with those speakers is usually a head unit that will output about 15 watts per channel (to each speaker).  As most peeps are aware these just don’t do very well with all the ambient noise out on the lake. You can add a small amp and bring these speakers to life but as many find out, it just is not enough out on the lake.

    After years of installing stereos, my base recommendation for a boat is four 6.5 inch speakers (components preferably) and at least one 10 inch subwoofer. At this point and time, there are no drivers on the market that can produce the entire spectrum of sound required to make a system sound good. Don’t be fooled by companies selling 8” mid bass drivers that claim the ability to produce the entire spectrum. It just won’t happen. I often hear people saying that 6x9 speakers can alleviate the need for a subwoofer. Although they will have a little more mid bass than a 6.5, they will not sound as clean (due to the odd shape) nor will they deliver the visceral effect of a subwoofer.

     Audio systems can produce music in a frequency range from 10Hz to 30,000Hz+.

    A really good set of human ears can "hear" the range between 20Hz to 20,000Hz.

     

    When properly setup your crossover points will be approximately as described below.

    20Hz – 90Hz (Subwoofer range)

    80Hz - 20Khz are mids and tweeters.

    By properly adjusting the settings on your amps and if your stereo has them;  the highand low pass filters - - -.each of your drivers will be pushed with the PROPER frequencies they need to produce the sound quality most listeners are after. This will make the best use of your amps by not “wasting” power trying to produce frequencies not available to each driver.

    It may sound confusing right now, but hang in there it is pretty easy . . .

    I am sure some of you are saying, my speakers say they CAN produce x to x  frequencies. Without going into a dissertation on audio components . . . I would say to those peeps, fine purchase what you want. I am trying to put this together for folks that want a quality sound system.  

    Localization:

    Your ears can localize most music in the frequency range above 90Hz. Since most subs should operate below 80hz (in the 20Hz – 80Hz range), in a good system you should not be able to localize the Bass. In other words, you ears can not tell where the bass is coming from. On the other hand, music above 90Hz, is easily localized. You ears can tell where the music in this range is coming from. This is why the placement of your drivers (speakers) is extremely important.

    What to buy?

    Well there is a plethora of choices. I used the following equipment in this installation:

    Alpine PDX-4.150 - birth sheet shows 784 WATTS RMS
    Alpine PDX-1.1000 - birth sheet shows 1202 WATTS RMS
    Alpine 9886 Head unit with IPOD, SAT and USB interface(s)
    I used this equipment because of the very small footprint and the huge power output. Also the head unit has a high pass filter and a great ipod controller feature. Obviously you can purchase whatever you want, but consider your space and overall power requirements / desires.

    Alpine RF Remote Wireless / Waterproof

    Polk Momo MMC6500 x 4 - 125 Watts each RMS

    Changed to Image Dynamics XS 65s

    I originally purchased the Polk Momo speakers because of the marine rating and because the foot print allowed me to install without modifying my current speaker holes. After repeatedly burning up crossovers from extended play, I decided to go back to my mid level component speaker. My favorite high end are DLS or MB Quart.

    Image Dynamics IDMAX V3 12 & Custom Sub Box - 1000 watts RMS

    Image Dynamics is probably best known for their world class subs.

    Amp Installation Kit - boat ready
    Dist Blocks  x2
    In Line Fuse Holder with voltage meter x 1
    Signal Patch Cords x 3
    Speaker Wire 100 Foot oxygen free - 14
    Sub Wire - 40 foot 12 G
    Connectors – Misc

    There are a number of items you will need for your installation. If you are not a DIY type of person, I would not go to the local “chain” stores. Look for a small shop with a long track record. Most of the folks at the chain stores are terrible installers and will do a terrible job.

    Where to buy:

    For many years, I used to purchase my equipment at retail pricing from large chain stores or popular audio websites. After some research, I found that using ebay can save you lots of money and yield better warranties. You can check out http://www.squaretrade.com/pages/

    For more info on how their warranties work.

    I purchased the Alpine PDXs brand new on ebay along with a square trade warranty for about half price. I purchased the Polks on ebay from a great seller. At the time they were about half the price as well. The amp installation kit also from ebay.

    I will link you to some sellers but you should do some homework of your own. Note, the square trade warranty has a great track record and I have used it twice in the past. Sellers with square trade warranties generally have a great track record. And if the seller goes out of business, no big deal . . square trade does all the stuff directly.

     Alpine PDX - http://stores.ebay.com/DISCOUNT-SOUND-INC

    Saved about $700 purchasing here.

    Polk Speakers – http://stores.ebay.com/Bills-Electronic-Gear

    Saved about $260 at the time (Polk will be discontinuing this model)

    Boat Amp Kit  - http://stores.ebay.com/TACOTUNES-COM-Tacoma-Audio-Store

    Save about $350

    Ipod – Purchased on ebay – sorry no links

    Subwoofer cabinet – Built myself for $45

    Saved about $250 over custom built

    Subwoofer – Image Dynamics purchase from ebay as well sorry no links

    Saved about $200

    Installation – did myself over two days saved $780 – two different quotes from local installers.

     


    Limited Edition 230BR 8.2Liter/502CI (GSI Volo Penta) DP-S

    LAKATION

    Project(s) Completed:
    2000 Watt Stereo Systerm
    Swimplatforms.com

    Coming Soon:
    Wakeboard Tower and Speaker Setup
    Custom Graphics

  •  07-17-2008, 2:41 AM 51339 in reply to 51302

    Re: Anyone interested in a stereo write up? I just put in a $4,700 stereo system for less than $2,000.

    This is great Robert, thank you for sharing!

    I recognise a lot of it, from when I installed some GOOD systems in my cars... I'd love to pick it up again with our boat and this is where these posts are really helping. The choice of brands is very personal; I would have made a different pick but I respect yours!

    Looking forward to part two: Will you be mentioning distortion (various types), dampening materials, cable shielding, sub-box detaila, fine-tuning...

     Good to see you mention frequency ranges. I assume you've got the entire audible range covered. But how did you tune the amp's individual gain settings? With a spectrum analyser or with the two flappy things on the side of your head? Not everybody has the same preferences in experiencing sound. That's why a spectrum analyser can help set the system up to sound as natural as possible.

    Hope to see more from you soon!


    Stefan

    2008 275CCR 496MAG B3
    "Arosa"
  •  07-18-2008, 11:58 AM 51496 in reply to 51339

    Re: Anyone interested in a stereo write up? I just put in a $4,700 stereo system for less than $2,000.

    Actually I use my flappers. To me and my experience . . .music/sound is very relative. No set of ears are the same. I hate to sound selfish, but when tuning my stereo. I only worry about the installers prefs (me :-)  

    Although in most cases folks really like the sound of my stereo systems, I am sure there are some others that would tune it a bit differently. Since not everyone can hear the entire frequency range accurately / consistently, tuning is an ongoing job or some of us audio nuts. As speakers break in and subs "loosen" up, your music and taste will change. Plus in mobile audio, I really don't think you can reach the level of clarity that a true audiophile would long to hear . . .

    For most folks they set it and forget it. I generally don't try to "tune" unitl I have about 100 hours on the components. In my post, I will probably reccomend the generic settings that seem to satisfy the masses. However, as I have helped peeps get their systems installed, I learn many of them become "tuners" themselves. I really enjoy qualtiy music NOT lound nasty stuff. It drives me nuts when I see someone that spent a ton of money on equipment and then do a poor job installing it. I was at the lake and a guy had about 3500 watts RMS some nice speakers/subs and it sound like "poo".  I was in another boat and could tell he had the Xover to high on the sub and way to low on the the mid bass drivers. His tweets were obviously at the highest setting. In this installers mind MORE was better. I went over to chat with him and I quickly left. He had wires exposed everywhere and did not take the time to do a decent job. I was not about to try to talk about a quality job when I saw that.

    Anyhow, thanks for the feedback, I will try to keep it generic and not subject users to my own desires.


    Limited Edition 230BR 8.2Liter/502CI (GSI Volo Penta) DP-S

    LAKATION

    Project(s) Completed:
    2000 Watt Stereo Systerm
    Swimplatforms.com

    Coming Soon:
    Wakeboard Tower and Speaker Setup
    Custom Graphics

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